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	<title>Comments on: Taking the Breath As You Find It</title>
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		<title>By: Chodpa</title>
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		<description>Hi there ... thought I&#039;d just comment on a couple of things:

&quot;I spent at least my first year in Shamatha practice visualizing the breath that I was focusing on, although I never quite realized this.

And one day, when I guess I was pretty settled in and stable with all this, it occurred to me to wonder what my experience of the breath was actually like - I found myself in a different “place”, actually experiencing breathing without having any real picture or foreknowledge of what it was like.&quot;

This was so beautifully put :-)  Many a time I notice myself tracing out what I think is the direct experience of the breath, only to find that I&#039;m actually creating some sort of image or reflection of what the breath is, and actually following that with awareness. It&#039;s as if the simple bare sensations are swapped with a thought or image of the breath, and somehow, stealth-like, ninja-like, this image was substituted in whilst my awareness was dull, and I didn&#039;t notice the hand-over. And then there I am, watching something I&#039;m actually creating, rather than resting in what arises without my prompting.

&quot;I can’t find a reference that gives me the exact number, or even the story now, but I’ve heard that the Buddha said that a single Snap! of the fingers is a length of time that subdivides into more than 300 pieces. This is how far you have to look to find the actual moment itself - if it can even be found, if such a thing even exists - or so it always seemed to me.&quot;

This is very interesting to me - reflecting on my experience, it certainly seems at times that I&#039;m getting blips, or flashes, or segments of experience - small moments, or pulses which seem to make up what seems to be a smooth continuous experience when I&#039;m not so aware. It&#039;s as if there are waves or pulses to experience - I can&#039;t honestly say that it seems to me that there are slices, or somehow discrete units to which I could give the name of &#039;dharmas&#039;. Thus far, I suspect it is mistaken to take dharmas as being discrete.

I find it interesting to sometimes see how far down I can take my awareness in terms of how fine can I see the movement of mind. How fine can those movements be that I can become aware of. How many a second, if you want to become crass about it. It&#039;s an interesting and revealing approach to take, sometimes ......

&quot;to find the actual moment itself - if it can even be found, if such a thing even exists&quot;

What is this &#039;moment&#039;? Why the interest in finding &#039;it&#039;? What&#039;s that all about????

very best wishes to you in the Dharma,

Chodpa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there &#8230; thought I&#8217;d just comment on a couple of things:</p>
<p>&#8220;I spent at least my first year in Shamatha practice visualizing the breath that I was focusing on, although I never quite realized this.</p>
<p>And one day, when I guess I was pretty settled in and stable with all this, it occurred to me to wonder what my experience of the breath was actually like &#8211; I found myself in a different “place”, actually experiencing breathing without having any real picture or foreknowledge of what it was like.&#8221;</p>
<p>This was so beautifully put <img src='http://www.sacredwest.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Many a time I notice myself tracing out what I think is the direct experience of the breath, only to find that I&#8217;m actually creating some sort of image or reflection of what the breath is, and actually following that with awareness. It&#8217;s as if the simple bare sensations are swapped with a thought or image of the breath, and somehow, stealth-like, ninja-like, this image was substituted in whilst my awareness was dull, and I didn&#8217;t notice the hand-over. And then there I am, watching something I&#8217;m actually creating, rather than resting in what arises without my prompting.</p>
<p>&#8220;I can’t find a reference that gives me the exact number, or even the story now, but I’ve heard that the Buddha said that a single Snap! of the fingers is a length of time that subdivides into more than 300 pieces. This is how far you have to look to find the actual moment itself &#8211; if it can even be found, if such a thing even exists &#8211; or so it always seemed to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is very interesting to me &#8211; reflecting on my experience, it certainly seems at times that I&#8217;m getting blips, or flashes, or segments of experience &#8211; small moments, or pulses which seem to make up what seems to be a smooth continuous experience when I&#8217;m not so aware. It&#8217;s as if there are waves or pulses to experience &#8211; I can&#8217;t honestly say that it seems to me that there are slices, or somehow discrete units to which I could give the name of &#8216;dharmas&#8217;. Thus far, I suspect it is mistaken to take dharmas as being discrete.</p>
<p>I find it interesting to sometimes see how far down I can take my awareness in terms of how fine can I see the movement of mind. How fine can those movements be that I can become aware of. How many a second, if you want to become crass about it. It&#8217;s an interesting and revealing approach to take, sometimes &#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;to find the actual moment itself &#8211; if it can even be found, if such a thing even exists&#8221;</p>
<p>What is this &#8216;moment&#8217;? Why the interest in finding &#8216;it&#8217;? What&#8217;s that all about????</p>
<p>very best wishes to you in the Dharma,</p>
<p>Chodpa</p>
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